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Jamie Oliver's Dream School channel 4 last night

edited March 2011 in Off-topic
Did anyone watch this? Jamie Oliver is trying to help twenty unruly underachieving teenagers turn their lives around with the help of 'inspritational ' experts.
They may be inspirational but they can't teach! David Starkey got into trouble because he called a boy fat and the real Headmaster of the school was appalled.
Half the girls were sick in Robert Winston's class when he cut up a pig.
Simon Callow had a hard job keeping the class quiet while he tried to get them to understand Shakespeare. Rolf Harris did a bit better in the painting class.
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  • David Starkey is a small minded self righteous idiot. How anybody would consider anything he has to say as worthwhile is beyond me.
  • David Starkey and Alvin Hall were on BBC Breakfast yesterday morning, along with two of the girls in the programme.
    They came up with two points which were very valid, I thought, one was that the youngsters didn't know how to 'listen', and the other not glossing over the fact that they've failed, but saying here is a way you can turn that round.

    I was out so didn't see the actual programme.So I'll have to use the watch again service.
  • Most of them are texting on their mobiles when they should be listening to the lesson. One of the girls was texting when Jamie Oliver was talking to them and he got rather angry.
    It will be interesting to see how this goes over the next few weeks. Alistair campbell is teaching next week. I'm looking forward to seeing how Cherie Blair gets on.
  • [quote=kateyanne]One of the girls was texting when Jamie Oliver was talking to them and he got rather angry.[/quote]

    What idiot school lets kids have their phones on during class time anyway?
  • It's a shame they're being called underachievers. If they're allowed to use their mobiles in that way it's the teachers who are the underachievers.
  • This is a Google-able thread, not a private one.

    I know they say that those that can't, teach - but rocket scientists don't always make the best teachers.
  • The thing is they are not teachers, a teacher would say at the beginning of the lesson 'mobile phones off and anyone using them will have it take off them.' Well that's what I do!
  • Yes kateyanne, I would have thought any school worth it's salt would have procedures in place to make sure the teacher is given every opportunity to receive the pupil's full attention. If the school hasn't stipulated phones are not to be used during class, then it's needs to re-asess it's methods.
  • But do the real teachers allow them to be used in their classes? Or was it set up for the celeb teachers to deal with - and fail.
  • [quote=Baggy Books]Or was it set up for the celeb teachers to deal with - and fail.[/quote]

    Very good point BB. I'm not sure of the answer to that but the point about t being a TV show is a valid one. It's not real, it is entertainment and as such will have production manipulation to ensure it receives media attention and viewers.
  • I didn't watch this because to me it's the typical "quick fix" tv we've become accustomed to. Obviously trained and experienced professionals are useless at their job so let's get a bunch of media celebrities to show them how it's done. Maybe next week we could have Katie Price doing open heart surgery or Chris Biggins splitting the atom.

    And that Jamie Oliver annoys me - he's bad enough when he's throwing things in a frying pan and nagging school kids to eat raw vegetables but this is beyond the pale.
  • So far I think this programme is showing how hard it is to teach and get children's attention. Teaching I believe is a gift you may know your subject but getting children interested in it requires skill. The celebrities last night don't have it, so far, and nor does Jamie Oliver and I didn't like the way he swore in front the children.
  • FT I couldn't agree more. I hated the idea from the second I saw the preview on TV. 'What if we could have a dream school?,' he asked. 'What if we could get the best teachers to inspire these kids?' Okay I'm on board with that. Well that's when I thought it was another of his crusades against the government and the system letting kids down. Turns out it would be anything but that. Instead of rooting out why kids fail with the system in place let's drag out some has-beens, some media professionals and some people who would do anything for a bit of attention.

    I'm not saying some of the 'teachers' are not top of their own field, but that field isn't teaching. Come on Jamie you are annoying enough to harangue the real people who have the power to change things into changing policy and adjusting the disaster that waits in the darkness for education in this country. Just more wallpaper TV to cover up the cracks so we don't notice the rising damp crawling underneath.
  • [quote=SilentTony]Come on Jamie you are annoying enough to harangue the real people who have the power to change things into changing policy and adjusting the disaster that waits in the darkness for education in this country. Just more wallpaper TV to cover up the cracks so we don't notice the rising damp crawling underneath.[/quote]
    Well put!
  • I think Jamie Oliver is turning in to a bit of a media tart. He should stick to what he's known for: cooking. Another one is that Jimmy from Jimmy's Farm. He's now doing a programme about other people becoming farmers. What next, Elocution Lessons with Jordan?
  • It's not the knowledge that's the main issue with successful teaching - it's the skill of communicating that knowledge.

    My English teacher may not have ever written a best selling novel, but he was a wonderful communicator. He later changed careers and became a painter and decorator. Why? Because his son was handicapped and he decided to support him and they both worked together. Teaching's loss, but what a father.
  • Aww, yep BB, he sounds brill.
  • Exactly BB. Teaching isn't about having the greatest knowledge, in fact that can often be a hindrance, but is about being the best communicator of ideas and thoughts.

    Your English teacher sounds like a true man and father. My main inspiration in school was my English teacher too. Hard as nails, strict as a bunch of P.E teachers from Kes, but boy it was like magic in his class when he spoke about books and our language.
  • Maths teacher (until he left and was replaced by a twonk) was my fave.

    Maffs may have been boring but he was sooooo funny, I laffed as well as learned.

    Then he was replaced by idiot features and I lost both the laffs and interest in maffs .
  • strangly enough its my english teacher that I remember most from my school, which was quite strict, she looked old with white hair, but we all took notice of her.
  • I used to laff at mine.
  • why am I not surprised Dora
  • and I used to hum in French, with my friend, so the teacher would get all exasperated and look around saying

    "what is that noise?"
  • perhaps it should be called Jamie Oliver's nightmare school.
  • best not say what I did when the bell went and we were changing classes
  • have you enrolled in Jamie Olivor`s shool as mentor to his underachievers , then Dora?
  • oh, did you not see me at the rear of the class, leaning back on two legs of my chair, bunches and freckles?

    my claim to fame, gone unnoticed. :(
  • will look out for you next week
  • My english teacher was the best, he would put so much passion into it that it was impossible not to become inspired, there were times he would jump up on a table waving a ruler around like a sword whilst trying to make us understand Macbeth's decline. Awesome bloke.

    As for Jamie Oliver he should be locked in a school kitchen and force fed school cabbage, can't stand the bloke, never have been able to.

    Funnily enough not watching the show either.
  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8357418/Jamies-Dream-School-Channel-4-review.html
    A review.
  • Good review, thanks
  • The boy that was called Fat, Connor, used to go to my school! He had a job in a shop but was made redundant. I would have loved to be in that History class. What’s unfair is that they do lots of cool things while the good kids are left out. They do not deserve to go to a cool school like that. They are being rewarded for being naughty. I see it all the time in class, if a bad student does something good then they get praised where as good students who do good all the time get nothing. That is unfair...
  • Ha that review was awful. He obviously went into the viewing with an agenda. It's an attempt at swiping a broad sword down on anybody that obviously doesn't fit into his own personal criteria of what should be, not only in schools but in society. The review itself was offensive in so many ways. Maybe there's a Dream School waiting for Michael Deacon out there, a charm school should do it.
  • edited March 2011
    [quote=SilentTony]David Starkey is a small minded self righteous idiot. How anybody would consider anything he has to say as worthwhile is beyond me.[/quote]

    Interestingly I found Starkey to be like a grown up successful version of those kids: bolshie and with little respect for others. They said he comes from a tough background, so maybe he got to be successful but kept the attitude.
  • [quote=st force]I see it all the time in class, if a bad student does something good then they get praised where as good students who do good all the time get nothing. That is unfair... [/quote]

    That's a shame STF, is there any way you can make your teachers aware they are doing this? I am sure they will appreciate your input as perhaps, dealing with all their duties as teacher may mean they forget some things they should remember.

    I do know what you mean though, as this is something I have long been aware of myself, in my former position at work and now a mother. I make every effort I can with my three children to ensure I balance praise with disapproval.
  • What did people think of last night's episode?
    The photographer, Rankin, was good and seems to be the best teacher so far I think. They all produced good work for him.
    Jamie Oliver said that there is no GCSE in Photography, my daughter did one 15 years ago now, perhaps they don't have it on the curriculum anymore?
    Simon Callow still struggled with his Shakespeare class, they really don't seem interested in Shakespeare at all. David Starkey did better this week with some of the class saying they enjoyed his lesson on Henry 8th.
  • [quote=kateyanne]they really don't seem interested in Shakespeare at all. [/quote]

    I found it totally boring too, when I was at school. Maybe if the teacher had shown a tot of imagination it would have helped.

    What was Simon Calow's teaching ability like, as I don't watch this prog. Teaching and acting a part do have similiarities.
  • I think the whole point is that are taught by people who are not 'teachers' just experts who are passionate. It's pretty easy to write these kids off but it seems to me they have zero social skills, which is epidemic if you ask me. The very fact kids are allowed to have mobile phones in school appalls me anyway. I work in a large office in a large International company and we are not allowed to have mobiles on during our work hours. I really dont care that everyone feels they 'must' have a phone stuck to their ear or fingers permanently attached to their fingers, it's just not necessary in a learning environment. It's rude and that part of the problem.

    I can see why people have mixed reactions to Jamie Oliver but at least he's trying to address this issue of de-socialised feral kids. Exclusion never was and can never be the answer, this response has created a whole raft of kids that have no idea of how they fit in to the larger world.

    Having failed himself at school, as well as recognising why, he's keen to show all is not lost for these kids so good on him I say
  • [quote=kateyanne]Jamie Oliver said that there is no GCSE in Photography[/quote]
    I think photography may start at NVQ level now Kateyanne.
  • [quote=red-lucy]he's keen to show all is not lost for these kids so good on him I say [/quote]

    I agree. I like Jamie and the effort he makes.
  • I don't neccesarily like him, but he should be applauded for trying to show these kids they still have a chance.
  • [quote=kateyanne]Jamie Oliver said that there is no GCSE in Photography, my daughter did one 15 years ago now, perhaps they don't have it on the curriculum anymore[/quote] They teach it at my school so Jaime got his facts wrong.

    I never used to like Jamie but I'm starting to warm to him. My mum took Conner to the tower of London and she was with him when he saw the lances. Mum says that he was the class clown and that's why he never got any GCSE's. Most of the teachers at school are angry that he said that the school did not care about him.
  • Quite often the reason kids are class clowns is through feelings of inadequacy because of poor school skills. It doesn't always mean that being the joker makes them fail, but often they are failing so become the joker. You'd be surprised at how easy it is for somebody like that to try and cover up their lack of confidence in that manner.
  • [quote=dora] is there any way you can make your teachers aware they are doing this? [/quote]

    Doubt it dora, been happening for years. My kids have always been near the top of class and I had to BEG the teacher to give my youngest a sticker for arithmetic in Junior school, when she had THREE exercise books without a single wrong sum! Her friend, nice girl but a bit slower used to get one for getting 6 sums on the trot right, or reading two pages.

    Like StF It really irritates me that people think the bright ones don't need to work - -most of them put just as much, if not more effort into their work as the slower ones do. trouble is, this country always focusses on the negative.

    we are told to praise the positive, but we still concentrate more on the negative. when i was teaching at one staff meeting they wanted to review the letters they sent to parents. this is as much of eh lsit as I can remember:

    Late letter
    No Homework Letter
    No gym kit letter
    No equipment letter (pen pencil etc)
    Non uniform items letter
    Trainers not shoes letter
    Disruption letter

    There were more but I can't remember them all and I caused a massive shock when i suggested that we had a letter to praise pupils for just getting on with their work and doing their best. they agreed, but i think I was the only person who ever sent any.
  • My son's school sends us a letter every so often praising him for his 100% attendance and asking us to congratulate him.

    Funny really, 'cos I writes it in me diary when he's not there and ... they'v gorrit wrong.
  • Sound about right. well it's great that his attendance is good, but wouldn't oyu rather have letters from teachers saying he's done brilliantly in science/geography/french etc for the past half term?
  • I do know how he's doing. We have regular appointments where I go with him and discuss his progress.

    I meet them and they tell me personally that he's doing brilliantly apart from one oik who gave him a good, excellent write up on his report, then when we met her at this meeting, she kinda told him off for one thing and another. Not that it bother him, or me, we just walked away smiling nicely to her, then got round the corner and laffed at her inconsistency and inability to know her students properly.
  • My kids school sends (subject) postcards- the teacher sends a postcard telling the pupil what they're doing so well and praising them.
    Seems to fall off a bit when they reach year 10...
  • Tonight's programme looks good. Former poet laureate, Andrew Motion, tries to get the class to write a poem inspired by a painting by Edward Hopper.
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